Kimkins VS WLS

Everyone involved in the Kimkins saga remembers the glaring headline in the June 12, 2007 edition of Woman’s World magazine: Better Than Gastric Bypass. Kimkins is Not better than gastric bypass.

Heidi Diaz AKA Kimmer is up to her old tricks. Comparing her “diet” with those having had WLS. This is her latest from the Kimpire:

“XXXXXXX – I’ll share a secret with you: the diet that
gastric bypass and lapband patients follow after surgery is veryKimkins like. lsnt it better to do the diet and skip the surgery?

We’ve got quite a few tummy surgery members. It’s not a fix-all and some people regain the weight because they find foods that are easy to eat after surgery (milkshakes, candy, mashed potatoes/gravy, Twinkies… )

It’s always an option if you decide to go that way and there’s nothing wrong with having it done if you and your doctor agree it’s the way to go. How about surprising yourself and stick to Kimkins for a month and
see for yourself? The Kimkins Shake Option is nearly identical to the post surgery liquid diet. And be sure to take a good quality multivitamin. I go with generic Centrum from Wal Mart (some ladies use prenatal).”

The WLS patient is prescribed a four part post-op diet. This varies from each bariatric center and each surgeon. Yet they are all similar. By stage four most are recommending just smaller portions of the food pyramid.

  1. Clear Liquids — The first stage of the gastric bypass diet, clear liquids (meaning beverages that you can almost see through), usually lasts for a day or two after the operation. The clear liquid diet starts with sips of water, and then allows foods like sugar-free juice, diet gelatin, boullion or clear broth, and flat (no fizz) diet soda in small amounts, usually 2-3 ounces at a time.
  2. Low-Fat Full Liquids — If no problems are experienced with clear liquids, the gastric bypass diet advances to high-protein liquids like diet Carnation Instant Breakfast™, Ensure™, or Sustacal™. This stage of the diet is started before discharge from the hospital and lasts for 1 to 2 weeks. Most patients also begin taking a chewable multivitamin/ mineral supplement at this stage.
  3. Soft/Purée Diet — The physician will indicate when it is time to advance to the soft or purée diet. Some patients are able to start this diet after they have been out of the hospital for about two weeks. Others may need to wait longer. The purée diet includes very soft, high-protein foods like scrambled egg, low-fat cheese or cottage cheese, or blenderized lean meats like tuna fish, chicken, or pork. Some patients find it more convenient to use strained baby foods. It is important to make sure that all foods are puréed or extremely soft and smooth in texture.
  4. Regular Diet — The regular diet starts about 8 weeks or later after gastric bypass surgery. While this diet includes all 5 food groups, it is important to start with high-protein foods, like lean meats or milk, at every meal. Each meal or snack should be small, with liquids consumed in between meals. Ask a dietitian for advice on planning an individualized regular diet pattern.

Here’s a sample menu:

Sample Menu
Breakfast Lunch Dinner
  • banana – 1/4 med
  • Scrambled egg – 1
  • toast, white –1/2 slice
  • margarine – 1 tsp
  • broiled chicken breast- 2 oz
  • carrots, boiled – 1/4 cup
  • margarine – 1 tsp
  • pasta salad – 1/4 cup
  • haddock, baked or broiled – 2 oz
  • green beans – 1/4 cup
  • dinner roll – 1/2
Morning snack

Afternoon Snack

Evening snack
  • graham crackers – 2
  • pudding, sugar-free, made with 2% fat milk – 1/2 cup
  • fruit cocktail, waterpacked – 1./2 cup
  • cheese, American – 1 oz
  • saltine crackers – 2
  • mustard – 1 tsp
*Consume nonfat milk between meals, throughout the day. Drink no more than 2 to 3 ounces at a time, for a daily total of 2 cups.
This Sample Diet Provides the Following
Calories 1011 Fat 37 gm
Protein 71 gm Calcium 1065 mg
Carbohydrates 97 gm Iron 6 mg

Do you see 500 calories anywhere on that sample menu??? Do you see liguids are for a SHORT period of time only?

Here are the actual post op instructions for Johns Hopkins for RNY and Lap-Band surgeries.

Laparoscopic or Roux-en-Y Gastric Bypass Patients

Lap Band Patients

Now let me tell you how I did the weight loss surgery thing. I did not follow the recommendations of my surgical center of a low fat way of eating. Hey even the bariatric centers are still stuck on stupid about the low carb approach, as you can plainly see from the above sample menu. They just encourage you to eat your protein first. There is a good reason for this. Your stomach is the size of an  egg for goddess sake. You have to give your body the best possible nutrition first. So you don’t eat your body instead instead.

Low fat is encouraged for two reasons. One being they are still caught up in the whole low fat dogma like the rest of the medical establishment. Secondly, many post WLSers just are unable to tolerate fat intake. They bypassed 2 feet of your intestine, of course you are going to handle fat differently.

As for the low calorie part of it, many do go for the low calorie in the beginning.  If you were throwing up every time you took a bite of the wrong food or ate too fast or didn’t chew well enough, you wouldn’t be getting in much food either. But that is not the norm of WLS. As time goes on their calories range from 1200-1500 calories.

I ate 2500 cals plus after progressing to stage four. I lost 200+ pounds in 2 years. I maintain now with 1800-2000 cals.

Constantly comparing the Kimkins starvation diet to WLS post-op diet is comparing apples and oranges. They are 2 entirely different things. Now compare the Kimkins diet and some of those followed on the pro-ana, pro-mia sites and you are right on the money there.
The biggest difference in the WLS diet and the Kimkins, the post WLSers are followed very closely by a full team of doctors and nutritonists.

Who does Kimkins have?

A morbidly obese psychopathic housewife with way too much time on her hands itching to swindle you out of your hard earned $80

The Science of Wearing Red

In a recent post, Medusa, talked about Heidi’s affinity for wearing red.

Kimkins Controversy-Kimkins Scam posted a nice piece showing the science of wearing red. This is my favorite part:

A person who likes red can express many personality traits. The positive ones being passion, energy, and money making. The darker manifestations of those who favor reddish-brown colors can be addictions such as drugs, alcohol, eating disorders or emotional instability.

Sound like anyone we know???

Just Ducky

Let me reintroduce you to “Just Ducky“. This persona came on the Kimkins scene way back when Jimmy Moore was gung-ho about Kimkins. That blog no longer exists but man did they really lay in to old Jimmy. It was nothing compared to the things that were dug up once they focused on Heidi.

You will notice I refer to Ducky as “they”. Because it is “they”. The handle has morphed over time to be just one person. Just look back at their introductory post:

We are a group of concerned individuals, working together under the collective pen-name ‘Just Ducky’.

When it came to Ducky’s tactics, either people loved or hated them. Many accused them of going too far. They were accused often of being completely over the top. We disagree. They reported facts. As was their stated purpose in their opening post.

With no illusion of grandeur, we share what we know and then write & publish here without any compensation or support from outside sources. There is no grand conspiracy, there is no organized attack, there is no naked or wrinkled Oz behind the curtain.

No, here we simply lay out the facts and leave it to you, our intelligent readers, to understand the danger that is the Kimkins Diet.

Even the most gifted writers have a biased slant to their writings. Ducky’s was no different. It is hard NOT to let your personal feelings show through in your writings. Yet the facts are still there.
Their blog had it’s humble beginnings on July 28, 2007. They were an overnight success. Reporting 5000+ visitors with that first post. They ran full steam right up until the “red dress pic” was found. Introducing “Kimmer”, October 6, 2007 was their last update to the blog.

What happened? Where did they go? Was it burnout? Did they feel like so many others? Did they think that it is in the hands of the courts now, so the job is finished? We will probably never know unless they decide to come back on the scene.

We will be revisiting many of Ducky’s old posts. New comers to the Kimkins saga need to see just how we got to where we are today. Also many of those who have followed this from the very beginning have forgotten much of the info found on Ducky’s blog. We think it’s time to refresh their memory.

So stay tuned, as we sift through and re-explore “Kimkins Exposed“.


If any of you are reading this post, you need to remember this. Heidi still has unsuspecting people signing up everyday. Just take note in the court papers how much money was taken in AFTER the “red dress pic” was found. So hear our plea for help to continue the fight.


The Players in this Saga

Over the course of this saga, there have been many key players. At times each as had it’s share of controversy. Over the coming weeks we’ll be looking at each one. Showing the good that has been done along with the bad.

If you ask most people outside of the low carb online community about the Kimkins Diet. They will respond, what is the Kimkins Diet? So for those who may stumble on this site in the coming New Year, background info needs to be revisited.

We will be looking at these following key players:

  • Catherine and Martin/slamboard
  • Ducky
  • the Truth
  • Becky
  • Christin
  • Deni
  • Jeanessa
  • Jimmy Moore
  • Tippy Toes
  • SingingLass
  • the Anti-Kimkins bloggers
  • LowCarbFriends

There are many. many. many folks who have worked tirelessly in the background. Not looking for any type of recognition. Only doing what their conscious feels is right. Many not having any stake whatsoever in the lawsuit. Just looking out for their fellow man, woman, and child. For those we give thanks for your efforts. You are the unsung heroes in all of this.

So stay tuned as we revisit many of the things most have forgot along the way. As the old saying goes:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.