There has been an interesting exchange going on in the comments section. I want to pull them up in a post for all to see.
Costa says:
Not all of the people on that site are bad, there is one that you have claimed to be a bad person…but the rest of the people on there are people just like you and me. They have families, and jobs. And care about each other, if you would post the majority of the threads you would see that, even kimmer will type inspirational comments to people. She is a very small part of Kimkins, so please get a life…and a job. This probly doesn’t pay you very well, does it?
From A look back…., 2008/04/20 at 4:20 PM
2big4mysize says:
costa
you are missing the big picture. The kimkins.com site is about the nutritionally dangerous eating plan created by Kimmer sold by kimmer, falsely sold by kimmer based on her 198 pound weight loss and the over 34 fake success stories using before and after pic from the russian bridal sites, and now being supported by folk like you.
One would not say the position of the Skinheads nor the KKK is but a small part of those groups even thought the folk who are members have families and jobs and care a lot about their fellow skinheads or KKK members. The same applies to any group that is put together to harm folk. and the EDs and health issues from following a nutritionally bankrupt diet plan do harm folk.
From A look back…., 2008/04/21 at 12:23 PM
Costa says:
Very strange, I posted a reply and it was not listed on here, hummmm????
Anyway, my membership was based on the Kimkins members who are no longer on the site. Not on Kimmer.
And also, speaking of groups such as KKK or skinheads, or Anti KK groups or Kimkins members…are the Anti KK’s out to harm people? I do believe that the KKK and Skinheads are totally different than the Kimkins or Anti KK groups, so not a good comparison, sorry.
I want stats, I want documentation, I want to see cases of illnesses that have been caused solely on the bases of the Kimkins way of eating, not genetics or hereditary conditions that were worsened…I want facts, people keep saying it is dangerous, but no one says why and what has happened to them on this diet other than wt loss, and one person with palpitations..I got those with my “change of life”. If you want to make a point to all current Kimkins members, that you need to post actual things that actual people have faced. Something that will make us think, rather than “its an unhealthy way of eating”, this just makes me defensive.
Costa—if you left a post it gets put up right then. I do not moderate posts on this blog. The spam catcher will pull posts with too many links in them. When you hit that submit button–it will show immediately if you don’t see it, it did not take. If it gets sent to moderation for whatever reason, it will say specifically awaiting moderation.—-BG
From A look back…., 2008/04/22 at 6:41 PM
2big4mysize says:
I have no idea where your post went. I didn’t see it though.
Actually my analogy is fine. ASny group you would not feel comfortable being a part of can be used for making the comparison I could have said replubicans and democrates since this is an election yr. The point is the site sells a dangerous nutrtionally bankrupt plan and just cause members got families and friends doesn’t mean the site is okay to hang out on since by being a member of a group your approval of the purpose of the group is inferred. the purpose of the kimkins.con site is to promote the diet. By being a member and posting about losing weight following the plan you are also helping to sell the plan to new folk.
Have you sat down with your doctor and discussed the portion sizes of the veggies fats and proteins? have you discussed the lack of exercise? the lack of calories? Have you discussed the plan as written by Kimmer with a nutrtionist even a low carb following nutrtionist who understands ketosis? They can explain to you what ailments you will be facing from doing Kimkins.
did Kimmer commision a study on the health effects of her eating plan? Nope so I doubt you will see any documentation of all the problems following the plan will cause, but you can read the stories of over 100 former KK followers who had health realated issues after doing the plan on the Kimkins survivors site.
Costa the human body has a need daily for fats. Certain types of fats are not stored in fat cells nor can the human body manufactor them so they like essential amino acids must be consumed daily. There are no warnings on the Kimkins.con site the plan being too low in those. Certain vitamins are called fat soluble because they can only be disolved in fats and the human body will only absorb them if fats are present in the diet in amounts needed for their absorption.
Since any posts about this type of info gets deleted on kimkins.con site new folk and those who were not on site reading the topic it was posted in before it got deleted never learn from the kimkins.con site about this. you can swallow all the mulit-VPs you want but without fats in the diet those vits will not be absorbed.
I discussed with Tippy Toes the health issues of eating the plan on my blog 2big4mysize.wordpress.com if you want to check some of them out or you could do a little research into a conditon called rabbit starvation, and the effects of low carb low cal on thyroids as studied by Brohda Barnes to get your started on the negative health aspects of following the kimkins plan.
From A look back…., 2008/04/22 at 7:23 PM
Costa says:
I did look into your site, and to the site Kimkins survivors, but did not read them all. I was mainly seeing slams and that distracts from any harmful or helpful as you would say, information. I have the “want” to this information, but without all of the negative. I do feel that if they have all of this info, and the way it is said they have enough to shut this site down, these blogs to pull more people in are really not needed. If there are health issues, and people are dying, this should be top priority, and should be shut down. What is the hold up? That also makes me wonder about the information thats out there. If it is so dangerous, why can’t they shut it down, or freeze it so no new members can join? Maybe some of the stories that you have read aren’t all due to Kimkins, ??
From A look back…., 2008/04/23 at 4:08 AM
2big4mysize says:
the wheels of justice move slowly, but the FCC, and CA AJ are investigating as are other agencies so it will get shut down BUT in the mean time the blogs get placed on the search engines so somebody looking for information on Kimkins will not get sucked into the kimpire without seeing any information about the dangers of the diet as over 30,000 were in June of 07 after the only info out there was affiliates and kimkins.con
Have you looked into the EFAs missing from the diet as written? have you looked at the need for dietary fats? Have you discussed the kimkins plan with your doctor in detail and not saying I’m eating lean proteins and low carb veggies, but with the actual serving sizes of those veggies and limited amounts and the fact use of fats is discouraged? Has Kimmer stopped advocating the use of salad spritzers as the dressing of choice? Is she now saying to use nontransfats in your cooking? or is she still saying use a spray of Pam? I noticed she did add a serving of dairy with the nonfat yogurt but again the fats are missing.
Has Kimmer ever had a dietician or nutrtionist endorse her plan on the site? I sure have never seen anything close.
Dr Mark last fall was posting stuff for folk to eat that was not allowed on the diet in his nutrtion recommendations.
So if it takes the bloggers and the FWK topic to inform folk about the dangers and keep them from becoming the next victim on the survivor page until Kimkins.con becomes a 404 error page then we will just have to keep posting information about her and the plan.
From A look back…., 2008/04/23 at 4:06 PM
Costa says:
I take it you are a professional, and I want you to tell me as a Dr what I will experience, healthwise in the near future. No I did not tell my Dr details, I told him of a great number of lbs lost in a very short amount of time and my concern that it may have an effect on my heart, and that I lost it eating an extremely low amount of carbs, my exact words. He had no concern and didn’t feel the need to know more, he has been my dr since I was a child, I do trust him an feel he would have been alarmed if he felt the need. Small community and close relationships with everyone. And I openly would have told him everything that I’ve eaten or not eaten.
And I used the spray Pam prior to Kimkins, so why not use it on plan as well? And salad spritzer, I use on occasion, but prefer good ole Ranch, fork dipped of course, and that is wrong?
Kimmer is no more of a specialist than you or I, and the advice should not be unhealthy, but I prefer to leave it up to the professionals and you should too.
If it is meant to be the site will be shut down, or closed to new members till this suit is settled. But until then there will continue to be new members regardless of what these blogs post….as they also feel the way I do, show me something in stone, or shut the site down, if you can’t do that than maybe you don’t have accurate info to do either
From A look back…., 2008/04/23 at 5:59 PM
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